Roadrunner Convertible 69 - Y2

OK, I'm really not interested in another car, I mean I'd like to have one, but just not in the budget at the moment. But I do like to kick tires now and then if I see what looks like a good deal and saw this car for sale on Hemmings and thought hmmm, maybe I'll ask a few questions. Plus it looks a lot like the car I had as a young man, so I was curious about it as well. I wrote and asked about seeing the VIN & Fender Tag or the build sheet, but never got a straight answer, or one at all. The cars owner sent a bunch of pictures of the Rotisserie restoration of the car which all appears like it was done first class by talented knowledgeable people. He is asking $29,300 which seem under valued to me based on what I saw, I know what this kind of thing costs to do. But I saw no VIN or Fender Tag. The car was listed as being located in South Carolina, but due to the individuals work and him being overseas, he has the sale being handled by a company called "Landfall Shipping Company Limited" and it was moved to Seattle WA. If one wants to buy the car, he'll ship at his expense. But one must send the money, in full, and when the car is received and not as advertised the buyer can send it back for a full return. I can't help but smell a rat. Experience has taught me if something is to good to be true, it usually is.

Smells fishy. Wonder why they didn't undercoat the wheel wells

69hemibeep said:

Smells fishy. Wonder why they didn't undercoat the wheel wells

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I agree.

Here's a photo rec'd of the underside of the car. I mean, it's clean as heck.

Here's the original add I responded to. It is shown as located in Savannah Georgia not SC as I originally wrote. But regardless it's now in Seattle Washington. Anybody out that way in the market I think it's a good deal provided first it's true and it actually is a roadrunner. But I'd want to eyeball it first for certain https://yupyi.com/details.php?id=2056

from the add:

"I feel confident in saying that this is likely the nicest 69 roadrunner convertible on the planet. Just finished a 3 year restoration at a Mopar only shop last year and has about 50 miles on it after the restoration. No expense was spared in the restoration. All numbers are matching and everything is as correct as possible including paint markings.
1969 Plymouth Roadrunner
Number Matching
Sunfire Yellow
Bucket seat/ AT console car
383 original
Tranny original
Rear end original
Undercarriage is perfection.... correct overspray, colors, coatings and paint markings
Body lines are perfect
Gaps between panels are perfect
This car is mint. Paint is flawless. Engine bay also won Best in Show at Mopar Mini Nationals and is perfectly detailed."

They did the bottom correctly with the overspray. I'd say it's either an under priced runner, a very nicely priced Satellite or Belveder or a scam. If he really has the car and I was in the market I'd look

its a scam, talked to a guy who saw the same thing on ebay a while back, same car.

Don't walk away RUN. These are scam's. Never even talk to these guy's. The big hint is LTD. I saw a car on the inter web checked it out same story the guy was over seas in the military. Wanted me to send full payment to a broker. Said they would deliver the car to my door. Anyway saw the same car in GA like on B body's and the guy was not going to sell it no mater what. Have also seen other car's for sale and checked and could not get a hold of any body and the same kind of game. So keep your money in you pocket.

Russ69Runner said:

Don't walk away RUN. These are scam's. Never even talk to these guy's. The big hint is LTD. I saw a car on the inter web checked it out same story the guy was over seas in the military. Wanted me to send full payment to a broker. Said they would deliver the car to my door. Anyway saw the same car in GA like on B body's and the guy was not going to sell it no mater what. Have also seen other car's for sale and checked and could not get a hold of any body and the same kind of game. So keep your money in you pocket.

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yup

All you have to do is tell them you want to look at it and the car all the sudden is unavailable

69hemibeep said:

All you have to do is tell them you want to look at it and the car all the sudden is unavailable

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I'll copy the latest email I just received from the guy.

Received this morning:

OK I understand. This is why I sign for this kind of contract with 3 days inspection period. If you change your mind do not hesitate to contact me.
Craig

On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 10:00 AM, RONALD LIVINGSTON JR wrote:
Hi Craig:
Unfortunately I'm not really interested sight unseen. And I'm really not going to come to Seattle to look it over. The pictures look really nice and the workmanship looks very good as well. If all in line with a legitimate VIN, fender tag or build sheet, and a clear title, frankly I think you have underpriced this car!
I think you should sell this easy enough. Good luck with it!
Ron


On September 23, 2018 at 6:59 AM Craig Ibbotson < craigibbotson811@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Ron,
Because of the fact that I am quite busy with my job and unable to travel back to the States, I have decided to hire a company to ship the vehicle and take care of the sale for me. The shipping & payment part of the transaction will be handled by Landfall Shipping Company Limited .The vehicle is now located in their transit warehouse from Seattle, WA because I had a buyer from there but he canceled the deal due to a decease in the family. They have in their custody both the vehicle and the title signed for release, which had been verified by their inspectors and they already gave the go ahead to begin the transaction.
Regarding the payment, there is a 3 days inspection period available for you once you will receive the vehicle in which you have the possibility to do an inspection to any authorized service of your choice before the company will release any money to me. If you will decide not to keep it for any reason the vehicle will be sent back to me (free of charge for you) and you will get a full refund no questions asked. So basically I only receive the money if you are happy about what you are buying.
Please read their HOW IT WORKS webpage ( http://landfall-company.com/how_it_works.php) and decide if you agree or not.
To be able to start this transaction you need to register on the shipping company's website. Once you are done, I will approve the deal from my account and Landfall will contact you in order to go ahead with the purchase.

P.S. You should know that the vehicle will be shipped anywhere within the States at my expense !!

Looking forward to successfully completing this transaction.

Craig

I'm considering calling his bluff and tell him that I've secured a vehicle inspection company in Seattle to look at the Car with my list of questions for them to research. Ask for a contact name, where the car is located, and a phone for them to make the appointment to see the car.

What you giong to do if for some wild chance its legit?

It's not. I would not even talk to these guy's. Don't give them any info like E mail or any thing else. The guy I talked to after telling him if I could not see it or put my hand on it then I was not interested. He called me back in a few day's Mad and told me all the money I had cost him. When pulling up the escrow company that is in England all kind's of red flags went off. After reading about some of the complaint's it is a guy in England and you will never get your money back. Why don't they through the bum in jail over their. They say they can't find him. SCAM and posing as a service man.

69hemibeep said:

What you giong to do if for some wild chance its legit?

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Go to the bank and get a loan? If the car is what he says it is, and the pictures he sent me are real, its a $50-$60K car all day long. I'd find the money for a car in this shape and quality. It might wind up right back on the block, but I'd do it. But I'm certain its a fraud. I trust my source who told me so, he knew the car and the scam right away.

Russ69Runner said:

It's not. I would not even talk to these guy's. Don't give them any info like E mail or any thing else. The guy I talked to after telling him if I could not see it or put my hand on it then I was not interested. He called me back in a few day's Mad and told me all the money I had cost him. When pulling up the escrow company that is in England all kind's of red flags went off. After reading about some of the complaint's it is a guy in England and you will never get your money back. Why don't they through the bum in jail over their. They say they can't find him. SCAM and posing as a service man.

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yup.

RonLiv said:

Go to the bank and get a loan? If the car is what he says it is, and the pictures he sent me are real, its a $50-$60K car all day long. I'd find the money for a car in this shape and quality. It might wind up right back on the block, but I'd do it. But I'm certain its a fraud. I trust my source who told me so, he knew the car and the scam right away.

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I mean he's asking $29,300 for the car and will pay to have it shipped from Seattle to Philadelphia on his dime. No way is this realistic. If he's going to scam someone at least don't insult the intelligence of the buyer. At least make the price look like its not a scam. He might as well said $10K.

Every where you turn their is someone trying to separate you form your money. The internet is a good tool but a few take advantage of it to use it as a bad tool. Even opening up E mails that you don't know like some posing as Micro soft make it hard to know which E mails to trust. So if you look around on the web bet you will find this car some where other than where the sell is stating it is. That is what I did and found the car that was portrayed as for sell and the owner had posted it and what the car went through to be restored. Also how long he had the car. It was not for sell. I found Runners in all kind's of shape mostly in resto. shape. All over the USA. So ask if you can travel to see the car in person and these jokers will and can not produce the car for inspection.