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Six pack issues

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Got her started today (sort of). The back carb was leaking from the front side low on the carb. I guess a float needle is stuck. Anyway, what is the recommended rebuild kit? The Holley, the aED (summit) or the mancini kit?

Also are there any recommended rebuilders here? Someone hat might be able to coach you through a tune as well.
 

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Mac is pretty handy on the three Hollies.....
 

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i always post this when people ask how to set up there six pack setup. this was posted for me when i asked for help by another member. hope it helps.

I have to agree strongly with Mike(HPMike) I've been running six pack inductions for about 30 years now, sm blk, big blk, and even the custom 6 pak cast HEMI intake manifolds that I made for the 71 wingcars,.....I don't have anything but, sixpack cars,,,,,,,,I've rebuilt countless numbers of carbs, along with countless installations and tunings,....when there are troubles, it usally due to someone unfamilar with there tuning or functions, or attempts at trying to improve them,......which usally results in "problem" carbs, starting, stalling, flooding issuse!.....seeing your have "new" carbs/ set-uo,....I'd recommend you use a Carter street pump, don't use rubber hose, it's problems down the road!, use a factory style/ repro steel, or stainless steel fuel line kit,a good quality hi flow fuel filter, AFTER the pump!, not before!, you'll restrict the fuel flow, Factory style linkage, no junk progrssive/ mech linkage!, change out the brass side float screw on the fuel bowls (all 3 bowls) with Holleys clear sight plugs, this way you can see your float level, and no gas spills trying to adjust, their like $4 each,.....when setting the fuel level, I've found that it's best to bring it up to half the height of the clear sight plug, (can't do this with the brass sight screw!, unless you have X-ray vision, hence the need to install the clear plastic sights).....plus "if" you ever have a starting problem, just shaking the car side to side will slosh the fuel in the clear site, and you'll know wether or not you have fuel in the bowl,....after you have basically installed the set-up, and started the car, and set an acceptable idle after warm up, with the engine running, set the floats, start with the center carb, the slotted screw on top of the float adjuster, is just a lock screw, you can remove it for now, the 5/8" nut is the adjuster/needle seat nut, rotating it counter clockwise will raise fuel level in the bowl, clockwise will lower it, make small 1/2 turns let the car run a bit, check the fuel in the clear site window, half the window is ideal height, esp. in the front and rear carbs, when they dump in, you don't wanna lean the engine, which on a sixpack car, might "melt" a piston or two!....really!, been, there, done that!....after you set the fuel level in all 3 carbs, reset the idle on the center carb, by disconnecting the linkage on the end carbs, if your using an idle solenoid, make sure it's energized in the up position contacting the center carbs solenoid idle arm screw, set the desired idle, that keeps your car running, factory specs are a guide line, your cam, vacumm, etc, will affect your desired RPM range, after you establish this idle, this is what your car will run with, now de-energize the solenoid, using the idle srew located on the ceter carbs main throttle shaft, set the idle to a bare minimum running idle, this is were your throttle shaft will close down too when you shut off the car, and the idle solenoid de-energizes, if later you have shut down problems of the car desieling, (sputtering run on after shut down) keep lowering the idle screw on the center carb main shaft, untill this is condition is eliminated, the idle solenoid was added to maintain an idle, and allow the throttle blade to choke off the engine on shutdown if needed, when it de-energized, after your center card idle is set, now comes the fun, start the car, in idle, the front and rear carbs are still disconnected at their main throttle linkage, (important note: make sure no vacumm source is hooked up to the front and rear carbs when main linkage is disconnected, cause any reving you may do, might tip in a end carb! with vacumm!, and if you can't shut it down in time, you might lose an engine!....seen it done!)to properly set the fuel/ air mixture idle screws, start with the center carb, hook up a tach.......warmed up, good idle (low)....turn the fuel/ air mixture screws (2) located on each side of the center carb metering block, do one at a time, run it in slowly, until the engine begins to stumble, slowy back it out watching the tach needle, stop when you've obtained the highest rpm reading,....you can also do this with a vacumm gauge attached to MANIFOLD vacumm, I like to use both at the same time, ...repeat the process for the other side, when done, now re-do-it, again, just to confirm settings, now some of the end carbs, have their fuel idle screws "plugged" with lead, they are located in the base, in the front of the carb base plate, under the bowl, if plugged, dig out lead plug, most people think ones for fuel, ones for air , their not!, you'll adjust these screws just like the center carb, except you can't just use a vacumm/ tach gauge,....look into the top of the front end carb, you see 2 small projections in each bore on each side, just below the neck, these are the air bleeds, block off the outer bleed using your finger over the small tiny hole, with the motor running at idle (low), it should stumble or pick up in idle, when you block off, either outboard bleed, set the front carb first, pick a bore, left or right, with it's coresponding baseplate idle screw, block the bleed off with your finger,(make sure the carbs throttle plate is fully closed) do one side at a time, when you block the bleed, if the idle increases, too much fuel, remove your finger, turn the base screw on the side your blocking the bleed on, in, one turn, block the bleed again, listen for the idle, (you could use a tach gauge at this point), if it stumbles/ decreases, no fuel, back the base screw off a half turn, block the air bleed again see where the "idle" is,......keep adjusting in this fashion until there's no change in idle, no increase/ decrease, you now have the ideal fuel/ air ratio for the vacummm requirement on your motor, complete this for both sides of the front carb, shut off the motor, disconnect this carb remove it, re-install it in the rear,....install the rear carb, now in the front, adjust this carb like you did to the last one, after you hook up everything, now here's when most guys will balk at this move,....they'll insist the air/fuel mixture won't be 100% by moving the tuned front carb to the rear, well if your truly familiar with the sixpack set-up, you know getting to the rear carbs base screws is fustrating to say the least, unless your squeezeing every ounze of effeciency out of the motor, this technique is far better than leaving the factory setting/ lead plugs in, with is usally a lean set-up,,,,,,, after setting this relocated carb up, if you wish you can "play" trying to "tweak" the rear carb, this may include a round of removal the "tweak" the screws to obtain that last ounze of "tuning", I've yet to see a "tool", truly capable of fitting into the installed rear carbs "idle screws"......anybody?,

Well, when your "done" setting the air/ fuel "idle" mixtures on the end carbs, connect the end linkages, to the end carbs, do it with the idle solenoid energized, the rods are threaded were they join together on the center carb, they install on the end carbs with rod clips, there is a F/R or left?right handed clip, energize solenoid, do the front carb first, make sure the linkage is pulled far forward on the center carb secondary rail, thread the rod, in or out, until it fits nicely in the hole, then proceed to the rear, repeat this proceedure, now check the linkage for any binding, you should be able to chrack open (engine off!) the center car, WOT, and manually open both carbs by rotating the front carb throttle arm, close the center carb, check all linkage for binding, readjust if needed, now de-energize the idle solenoid, see if any bind is preventing the center carb from closing on the main throttle shaft idle screw, you may have to comprimise on some idle/ and or end carb linkage adjustments to have an ideal, functioning set-up, but once you take the time to do this, you'll appreciate your efforts!,....as far as altering the end carb secondary springs in the vacumm pods,.....I like a sixpack to come in quick,....you'll have to buy 2 sping kits, replace with the "white" springs if you want a quick responding set-up,....if you what a mid range set-up use the "yellow" springs,.....any thing in the brown or black range is worthless.,,,,,Hell I could write a book here, I probally have, if you have any other questions, PM me.......I wrote this for others, to utilize as well,.......
 

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Thanks! About the rebuild kits.... Is the one that Mancini sells acceptable? Dayclona (moparts) suggests not to use the napa/carquest kits in favor of the holley kit. The only issue is the Holley kit that keeps coming up is a kit for all Holley carbs and costs about $80 a kit per carb. There has to be a kit for six packs, right?
 

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I use the Holly kits, never tried Mancini's but they generally carry pretty good stuff
 

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The renew kit with parts for all holley carbs or specifically for the 2300(does it even exist?)
 

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There is a specific Holley carb kit number. I can't find my notes but I believe its 329-4 IIRC. Either use QFT or AED or Holley. You will need 3 of them and they arent cheap. I have spent a lot of time with Holleys over the years and have no less than 8 of them in service right this moment in my collection.
 

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Yes it is the float bowl screw gasket or the screw is not tight enough. I have had this same problem new gasket fixed it.
 

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Chicago carburetor has rebuild kits for the carbs. I have one kit I bought for spares and was happy with it. Just specify end or center. Also Holley has a kit part# 3-396 that has enough parts for all three carbs. NAPA kits work also part# 2-5529
 

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ProMax Performance makes billet throttle plates that have the idle screws relocated closer to the outer edge of the float bowl and can be adjusted easily while running. This is only an issue for the rear carb.

As far as making the carbs come in quicker there is a trick to it. It is called kill-bleed. If not familiar with these there are located inside each end carb. A tiny hole just iside the venturi of the carb. Engineered so that the carb would need to rely on the springs tension to open instead of opening when they want to. Easy trick just block off the bleed hole with a tiny dab of silicone.

Now be careful as the end carbs, if done right will open at a quarter throttle. You will get a big bog until the engine warms up if you try to get on it while cold. But it works really good if you got enough cam to handle the shot of fuel.

End carb tuning can be tweaked also by replacing the factory metering plates with quick fuel billet plates with holley jets. Can pickup 10 horsepower or more on a modified engine depending on jet size required. Factory plates are equivalent to #80 jets. For a stock motor this would be ideal. Depending on cam, heads etc #82 or even #84 would help out.
 

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ProMax Performance makes billet throttle plates that have the idle screws relocated closer to the outer edge of the float bowl and can be adjusted easily while running. This is only an issue for the rear carb.

As far as making the carbs come in quicker there is a trick to it. It is called kill-bleed. If not familiar with these there are located inside each end carb. A tiny hole just iside the venturi of the carb. Engineered so that the carb would need to rely on the springs tension to open instead of opening when they want to. Easy trick just block off the bleed hole with a tiny dab of silicone.

Now be careful as the end carbs, if done right will open at a quarter throttle. You will get a big bog until the engine warms up if you try to get on it while cold. But it works really good if you got enough cam to handle the shot of fuel.

End carb tuning can be tweaked also by replacing the factory metering plates with quick fuel billet plates with holley jets. Can pickup 10 horsepower or more on a modified engine depending on jet size required. Factory plates are equivalent to #80 jets. For a stock motor this would be ideal. Depending on cam, heads etc #82 or even #84 would help out.

Tom I understand what your trying to do but personally silicone + carburetor = disaster. Isn't there a better way
 

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RTV or gasket maker works. Whatever you use it has to be gasoline resistant. The hole is very tiny you don't need much.
 

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personally the only way I would block off the kill bleeds is if the car was a full time race car. (wide open throttle). kill bleeds determine at what rpm the outboards would start to open. that is one of the differences between 440 carbs and 340 carbs. 340 carbs would open at a slightly higher rpm. the springs control the rate of opening once the rpm is reached where the vacuum signal is received from the carb and kill bleeds. I would get a good tune on the center carb (float levels, idle mixtures) don't forget the outboards contribute to the idle.
 

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Your article on tuning ends for idle was perfect. I would only suggest kill bleed if all carbs are tuned properly and you want to take it to the next step. It can work great when used correctly.
 
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