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I have the 26 inch radiator in my 440 car. Everything except the radiator is new and it seems to overheat. I had it overheat yesterday climbing elevation and it was coming out around the cap, replaced the cap. But when regular driving it goes over to the right and then comes back to normal, like it takes awhile for the thermostat to open.

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Ocerheating while driving usually indicates a lack of airflow, So I would guess that maybe your radiator support to hood seal is not in place, or the cowl seal to hood seal is missing. Or maybe you are not running the clutch fan and shroud?
 

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Tell us more about the cooling system, fan and what speed and gear were you climbing at ?
 

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Do you have the original fan in the car. I put a five-blade fan in mine, and it just did not do what the seven-blade dose. Must have a shroud also. 160 Thermostat is about what you need. If I am not wrong 16 psi pressure cap. Wish you luck. I had to switch out the heads on my 383 to aluminum heads from 440 source and what a difference that made.
 

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Ocerheating while driving usually indicates a lack of airflow, So I would guess that maybe your radiator support to hood seal is not in place, or the cowl seal to hood seal is missing. Or maybe you are not running the clutch fan and shroud?
I have a shroud but no clutch fan, just a fan. Just on general driving the car will go to over half on the temp gauge and then when the thermostat opens it goes back to normal. Everything is new except the radiator, and it has been serviced.
 

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Do you have the original fan in the car. I put a five-blade fan in mine, and it just did not do what the seven-blade dose. Must have a shroud also. 160 Thermostat is about what you need. If I am not wrong 16 psi pressure cap. Wish you luck. I had to switch out the heads on my 383 to aluminum heads from 440 source and what a difference that made.
No, I just have the 5 blade, got to get a 7 blade. My thermostat is 180 need to change that out also.
 

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Well it doesn't sound like it's that bad. Any system that can lower the temperature on it's own is a system that is working. Your system just needs a bit a tweeking. I would definitely recommend you get a 7 blade fan blade along with a HD fan clutch. I don't have a problem at all with the 180 degree thermostat. As a matter of fact I tend to run the 190 degree thermostat and all my cars do just great. I'm in South Texas btw where we are regularly in the 105 degree weather. Factory thermostat was a 190, engine will run cleaner and burn more complete but that's a whole other topic. I also recommend a shroud for more efficient airflow to work along with your new fan setup. A new high quality thermostat is a must as well. You should be fine.
 

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Well it doesn't sound like it's that bad. Any system that can lower the temperature on it's own is a system that is working. Your system just needs a bit a tweeking. I would definitely recommend you get a 7 blade fan blade along with a HD fan clutch. I don't have a problem at all with the 180 degree thermostat. As a matter of fact I tend to run the 190 degree thermostat and all my cars do just great. I'm in South Texas btw where we are regularly in the 105 degree weather. Factory thermostat was a 190, engine will run cleaner and burn more complete but that's a whole other topic. I also recommend a shroud for more efficient airflow to work along with your new fan setup. A new high quality thermostat is a must as well. You should be fine.
Thanks. I have a fan shroud guess I just need to pick up a 7 blade and a HD Fan clutch. Who do you shop with? Most of the stuff I have bought re-doing this car is from Mancini.
 

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Was it originally a 22-inch radiator? If you go to a 26, you should widen the opening where the radiator mounts for more airflow. I have an aluminum Cool Craft 22-inch, 160-degree thermostat, a shroud, and an electric fan, and this is where mine runs in the CA desert. A bit hot for my liking, but it never overheats.

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Was it originally a 22-inch radiator? If you go to a 26, you should widen the opening where the radiator mounts for more airflow. I have an aluminum Cool Craft 22-inch, 160-degree thermostat, a shroud, and an electric fan, and this is where mine runs in the CA desert. A bit hot for my liking, but it never overheats.

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No it was originally a 22. Maybe I need to 0ut it back in and try it.
 

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Was it originally a 22-inch radiator? If you go to a 26, you should widen the opening where the radiator mounts for more airflow. I have an aluminum Cool Craft 22-inch, 160-degree thermostat, a shroud, and an electric fan, and this is where mine runs in the CA desert. A bit hot for my liking, but it never overheats.

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Seems my thermostat is just opening late.
 

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Here is what I did. I drilled two 1/8" holes in my new 160 degree thermostat and put it in. Car is now at normal and not going over to the H heat gauge. I drove it 20 miles to a car show and back, it stayed where it should.

Thanks for all the help.
 

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I wrote this on my blog (mopowergarage.blog) about radiators, but the same overheating problems occur.

The Truth About Mopar Radiators: Overheating Myths and the Real Fix

Published by Christopher J. Holley | Mopar History & Tech | June 2025

For decades, enthusiasts have repeated the same claim: “Old Mopars just run hot.”

If you own a 1960s or early 1970s Chrysler, Dodge, or Plymouth muscle car, chances are someone has told you to toss that factory radiator and bolt in an aluminum one or risk overheating every time you sit in traffic.

But is this true? Or are we blaming the wrong part?

Where the Overheating Myth Comes From

There is no denying that many vintage Mopars struggle with heat soak and high coolant temperatures in summer traffic. But that is not the radiator’s fault, not entirely. When you consider that most of these cars are 50+ years old and often run with:

  • Incorrect ignition timing or curve
  • Leaner-than-optimal air/fuel mixtures
  • Missing or ineffective fan shrouds
  • Weak radiator caps or improper coolant pressure
  • Cheap parts-store water pumps
It is no surprise that they run warm. But the issue is not the cooling system's design. It is that something else has gone wrong.

The Factory System Was Built Right

Original Mopar cooling systems were engineered to survive stop-and-go traffic, desert heat, and quarter-mile abuse. A well-maintained factory system typically includes:

  • A 3-core copper/brass radiator
  • A 7-blade mechanical fan (sometimes with a clutch)
  • A full fan shroud
  • An appropriately rated 16 psi radiator cap
  • A correct thermostat (usually 180°F or 195°F)

Factory radiators were often larger and more effective than those used by GM or Ford in comparable models. When restored and paired with a finely tuned engine, they still do the job, proving their worth and reliability.

The Real Problem – Everything Else

Swapping to an aluminum radiator is often just a Band-Aid covering for neglected tuning or airflow issues. Here is what usually causes overheating:

  • Retarded ignition timing slows burn and increases exhaust temperatures
  • Overly lean fuel mixtures run hot under cruise/load
  • Missing shrouds or wrong fan spacing kills airflow at idle
  • Low coolant pressure from a weak or incorrect cap
  • Incorrect pulley ratios reduce water pump or fan speed
Fix those concerns first; you will often find the original radiator works just fine.

When Is an Aluminum Radiator the Right Choice?

To be clear, aluminum radiators have their place:

  • Tight engine compartments with little airflow
  • High horsepower builds with increased thermal load
  • Track or autocross cars that stay at high RPM
  • Engines swapped into vehicles not designed for them
An aluminum radiator should not be your first move. If your car ran cool when it left the factory, it still can if you get everything else right.

  • Cooling Checklist: Before You Blame the Radiator
  • Ignition timing and vacuum advance curve dialed in
  • Rich enough idle and cruise air/fuel mixtures
  • Fan shroud installed and properly sealed
  • Correct 180–195°F thermostat
  • A radiator cap holds pressure (usually 16 psi)
  • Pulley ratios support good fan and water pump RPM
  • No air pockets in the system (burped properly)
Final Thoughts

Do not fall for the myth. Chrysler engineered your 1960s Mopar to run in traffic, on drag strips, and across the country with the factory radiator.

Before spending hundreds on aftermarket aluminum, remember that diagnosing and fixing the actual problems is key. In most cases, you will find the car runs cooler, smoother, and better overall, and you will keep the original look and function intact. This approach empowers you as a car enthusiast and ensures the best performance from your vehicle.
 
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