mike mckenna
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interested in purchasing a 1969 Roadrunner 383 HT all original. Trying to justify onewers current owners price. How valuable is matching numbers considered in assessing asking price? Thank you
Numbers matching valuation
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quikbird
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Matching is worth more within reason. Still just a 383. Hopefully has the 4 speed rather than auto.
Number of options, documentation ( build sheet, window sales sticker, etc), rust condition, paint, and interior condition. All top notch=top price.
Look on eBay, Hemings to see what some of these cars SOLD for, not asking price and see if the seller is close.
Number of options, documentation ( build sheet, window sales sticker, etc), rust condition, paint, and interior condition. All top notch=top price.
Look on eBay, Hemings to see what some of these cars SOLD for, not asking price and see if the seller is close.
mike mckenna
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Thank you quikbird
Rapid Transit
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There are so many variables in buying a car with no quick answer to your question.
Over the years I've always said given two cars I lean towards the one that hadn't had someone else's fingers in it and would pay a premium for that car over market.
Never would by someone else's hotrod again too.
Of course the virgin cars that I could do something with myself are getting harder to find.
So, number's matching?
Would you want a car with matching drivetrain but body numbers that have been replaced with AMD or a non matching drivetrain with intact body numbers?
https://www.69roadrunner.net/mopar/...-4-speed-manual-buld-sheet.18116/#post-199540
Over the years I've always said given two cars I lean towards the one that hadn't had someone else's fingers in it and would pay a premium for that car over market.
Never would by someone else's hotrod again too.
Of course the virgin cars that I could do something with myself are getting harder to find.
So, number's matching?
Would you want a car with matching drivetrain but body numbers that have been replaced with AMD or a non matching drivetrain with intact body numbers?
https://www.69roadrunner.net/mopar/...-4-speed-manual-buld-sheet.18116/#post-199540
69hemibeep
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Makes them more collectable sometimes less drivable as in you don't want to hurt that numbers part.
torredcuda
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Depends on the model, options etc. and as Rapid said it depends on how much of the car is original vs being restored. You said it`s a 383 car all original - do you mean an original survivor car or needs resto, colors and options might also matter as it would have less effect on price on a less desirable car and vice versa.
mike mckenna
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Thank you torredcuda
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Thank you 69hemibeep
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Thank you Rapid Transit
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Sorry for such a long-winded response. Not bragging. There is an explanation that will make sense at the end of the message!!
I know three people with all “original” numbers matching everything. One 69 Dodge Super Bee was inherited from his dad (original owner). That one still has original paint, engine, interior, etc. Although 100% original it looks very tired and doesn’t show well. After a year of pondering, I went the “restomod” route. My goal was to have a 69 Road Runner that looked completely stock from the outside; mostly stock on the inside, and basically stock under the hood and undercarriage. I used what was left of the build sheet and fender tag to bring it back to many original components, inside and out. It’s painted the original Ivy Green color, with original black longitudinal strip along the side; stock (original to car) bucket seats stripped to frames and redone in black Italian leather; the bumpers (stock to car) were sent to Tri-City Plating in Tennessee for rechromed; undercarriage is a mix of OEM and upgraded components (for strength and handling); the original 383 wasn’t worth rebuilding, so went to Indy Cylinder Heads and had them build a 572 MAXX Wedge. Trans is B&M with Gear Vendor attached (for overdrive and gear splitting); Eaton rearend with 355 gears; B&M floor-mount Quick Silver shifter; ididit tilt steering; 235/60/15 up front with 275/60/15 out back on black Craigars and Diamondback redlines; EZ FAST 2.0 EFI; Stainless steel gas tank and radiator; all stainless steel headers and exhaust system; Hydroboost power brake system; Willwood Disks front and rear; Retro AC/Heat system; over 200 pounds of Dynamat (everywhere)… plus too much more to list here!!!
Why this long detailed post? The days of numbers matching are basically gone and replaced by cars that “look” stock; however handle and ride like modern cars with power to match the fastest and quickest things of the modern era! Old numbers matching cars (even Hemi’s) have limited interest. As the older car guys and gals are aging out and being replaced by younger generations, they all love the muscle cars; however, they also require “creature comforts”!!!
Check out the photos below for an example of what’s hot and the accolades received!!
I know three people with all “original” numbers matching everything. One 69 Dodge Super Bee was inherited from his dad (original owner). That one still has original paint, engine, interior, etc. Although 100% original it looks very tired and doesn’t show well. After a year of pondering, I went the “restomod” route. My goal was to have a 69 Road Runner that looked completely stock from the outside; mostly stock on the inside, and basically stock under the hood and undercarriage. I used what was left of the build sheet and fender tag to bring it back to many original components, inside and out. It’s painted the original Ivy Green color, with original black longitudinal strip along the side; stock (original to car) bucket seats stripped to frames and redone in black Italian leather; the bumpers (stock to car) were sent to Tri-City Plating in Tennessee for rechromed; undercarriage is a mix of OEM and upgraded components (for strength and handling); the original 383 wasn’t worth rebuilding, so went to Indy Cylinder Heads and had them build a 572 MAXX Wedge. Trans is B&M with Gear Vendor attached (for overdrive and gear splitting); Eaton rearend with 355 gears; B&M floor-mount Quick Silver shifter; ididit tilt steering; 235/60/15 up front with 275/60/15 out back on black Craigars and Diamondback redlines; EZ FAST 2.0 EFI; Stainless steel gas tank and radiator; all stainless steel headers and exhaust system; Hydroboost power brake system; Willwood Disks front and rear; Retro AC/Heat system; over 200 pounds of Dynamat (everywhere)… plus too much more to list here!!!
Why this long detailed post? The days of numbers matching are basically gone and replaced by cars that “look” stock; however handle and ride like modern cars with power to match the fastest and quickest things of the modern era! Old numbers matching cars (even Hemi’s) have limited interest. As the older car guys and gals are aging out and being replaced by younger generations, they all love the muscle cars; however, they also require “creature comforts”!!!
Check out the photos below for an example of what’s hot and the accolades received!!
mike mckenna
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Very impressive
Thank you
Thank you
69hemibeep
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Nice resomod! I just did a Charger in a similar theme and my daughter likes how her car turned out. But if I did it to my numbers matching Hemi car I would be considered an idiot in most peoples eyes.
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An original HEMI car is a completely different story. Years ago, before I purchased this Road Runner, I looked at two numbers matching HEMI Road Runners. Both in ok condition, and priced to sell. I passed on both because both required a bunch of work. If I could have located a numbers matching HEMI car that was a post car; painted Ivy Green; no vinyl top; with Black bucket seats; automatic transmission; and in excellent condition with everything working like new, I would have jumped on it, knowing I’d be paying a premium price, but that would have been expected for such a rare find!! To this day, I have never seen that configuration HEMI Road Runner…not sure one was ever built! For resale purposes a numbers matching HEMI would top the ranks followed by a numbers matching 440 six barrel. Numbers matching 383’s have a value, but nothing to get exited about!!
Going in the direction of a restomod with a monster WEDGE… especially one built on a very rare MOPAR MEGA BLOCK will fetch some big bucks… only know that from cash offers I’ve received while at Good Guys (especially when parked in the winners circle)!!!
Regardless we all love our Road Runners and that just puts a great smile on my face
Going in the direction of a restomod with a monster WEDGE… especially one built on a very rare MOPAR MEGA BLOCK will fetch some big bucks… only know that from cash offers I’ve received while at Good Guys (especially when parked in the winners circle)!!!
Regardless we all love our Road Runners and that just puts a great smile on my face
HD539
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You have a beautiful car, you definitely did it your way. It doesn’t matter to me how one prefers there cars (original, numbers matching, restomods) they’re all beautiful. I still prefer the way they came off the show room floor with the exception of a couple day 2 add ons (That’s my preference). I have three cars that are numbers matching, I’ve tried hard to put/keep them stock because that’s the way I like them. I’m not sure I agree with
your opinion regarding numbers matching being gone and a thing of the past and yes maybe we are aging out but I still see plenty of younger enthusiasts at the car shows that like the old muscle car look and feel.
Once again you have a beautiful car. And I do agree we do love our Roadrunners.
your opinion regarding numbers matching being gone and a thing of the past and yes maybe we are aging out but I still see plenty of younger enthusiasts at the car shows that like the old muscle car look and feel.
Once again you have a beautiful car. And I do agree we do love our Roadrunners.
6PKRTSE
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If it's your car. Drive it like you stole it. It doesn't do any good to let them sit. They are just cars. They are meant to be driven. Numbers matching means nothing to me value wise. There are so many are fakes or forged vehicles out there these days anyway.
Russ69Runner
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Bought it and built it. Painted it myself and put console in and four speed trans. That is what I wanted. When buying it had an automatic trans. put in and clutch pedal was still in car. Found the original four speed trans A833. Had to change the floor pans and trans. hump. Lot of work to restore these cars. But now adding air grabber parts to the hood and engine. Thought that will show better. Bucket seats I like better than a bench seat. Makes the car look a lot better to me and buckets keep me in the seat. LOL. Have fun and build it like you want it. Russ.
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Maybe I’m a dying breed, but I still contend that numbers matching cars dictate the value of all cars of that model. With 2 like cars side by side, both in comparable condition, one numbers matching and the other not, the numbers car will bring more money. Add $1000’s of dollars to the drivetrain in the non matching cAt, the value will outweigh the numbers car, mostly by the cash outlay of the new parts. People will pay for work already done, but probably not to 100% of what it cost to do the changes.
Myself? I like the cars the way they came. Adding new technology such as Hellcat engines and such to me takes the heart of the car. I love the brutality of the 60’s/70’s technology and the way they feel on the road. That’s just me, and maybe I live in the past, but my past was a great place to grow up. My Roadrunner is all original. Not pretty, not saved for today, it was the original owners daily driver, and I’m in love with its honesty. The value to me is not in spending a couple hundred grand to make it shiny and new, it’s the heritage of the car that made it what it is today. It was removed from the road in 1976, and my goal when I got it was to return it to the road exactly the way it left. And I’m ok with that. It’s a window in time!
Myself? I like the cars the way they came. Adding new technology such as Hellcat engines and such to me takes the heart of the car. I love the brutality of the 60’s/70’s technology and the way they feel on the road. That’s just me, and maybe I live in the past, but my past was a great place to grow up. My Roadrunner is all original. Not pretty, not saved for today, it was the original owners daily driver, and I’m in love with its honesty. The value to me is not in spending a couple hundred grand to make it shiny and new, it’s the heritage of the car that made it what it is today. It was removed from the road in 1976, and my goal when I got it was to return it to the road exactly the way it left. And I’m ok with that. It’s a window in time!
Russ69Runner
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What a grate car. May be touch up motor paint and clean up engine bay. Will give you more points in car shows.
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I don’t go to car shows for points, I go for fun. Most all the shows I go to are charity events, and I don’t mind paying to participate if it goes to a good cause. Mostly, I like to go to cruise ins in neighboring towns because I like the drive. I live in a rural area and love to just drive the backroads to any destination I want to go. I saw an ad for a show at the Gilmore Museum called Diamonds in the Rust, all cars like mine, no shiny, no new cars, just honest cars that have loved their lives like mine. That’s the kind of show I like.